With Love, Men

Minotaur vs. Higher Purpose: Which Story Are You Living?

Jake Fishbein & Nick Papadopoulos

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In this episode of With Love, Men, co-hosts Jake Fishbein and Nick Papadopoulos explore a foundational concept from their upcoming novel: the myths we tell ourselves about who we are.


Jake and Nick introduce the idea that we're all "meaning-making machines" who create stories—myths—about ourselves. These myths come in two forms: the Minotaur (shame-based stories like "I'm stupid" or "I can't get a break") and Higher Purpose (the inspiring impact we make when we're at our best).

Nick shares how his Minotaur shows up when he's triggered: "I'm all alone in this fucking world and I can't get a break." Jake traces his back to second grade when two classmates went as the Wright Brothers before he could. They discuss how these stories aren't bad—they're protective responses to pain that deserve empathy, not execution.

On Higher Purpose, Jake reveals his is "to guide people home," while Nick's is inspiring people to live purposefully and leave things better than they found them. They explain how to find yours: look at moments you're most proud of, notice what fills you up, and ask people around you when they see you most alive.

Their conclusion? You're always operating from either your Minotaur or your Higher Purpose—and that's what drives your behavior, not willpower alone.

🔑 Topics Covered

  • Why we all tell myths about ourselves (Minotaur vs. Higher Purpose)
  • How shame stories form and why they're protective, not evil
  • Using humor and community to loosen the Minotaur's grip
  • How to discover your Higher Purpose by looking backward
  • Why identity shapes behavior more than willpower

💡 Reflective Prompt: What myth are you telling yourself right now—and is it serving you?

📍 Links + Resources

💼 Connect: Jake Fishbein & Nick Papadopoulos on LinkedIn

With Love, Jake & Nick